tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post2556453690314277234..comments2024-03-29T12:42:09.985+00:00Comments on HMRC Is Shite: Transparent HMRC SalariesKen Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13568488818950912374noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-798457400763828032018-12-06T15:07:47.567+00:002018-12-06T15:07:47.567+00:00PCS were still telling staff not to agree Performa...PCS were still telling staff not to agree Performance Agreements on that basis in the 2000s and 2010s. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-87891625406375077732018-12-06T14:55:19.557+00:002018-12-06T14:55:19.557+00:00interesting.To change the subject - does anyone re...interesting.To change the subject - does anyone remember the introduction of Performance Management in the early 1990s? Did they hear about anyone refusing to touch it because Inland Revenue itself said it was "not a legal contract"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-79716933476440935272016-12-15T20:58:30.082+00:002016-12-15T20:58:30.082+00:00All this about PCS reps. They go out of their way...All this about PCS reps. They go out of their way to help alleged criminals, rule breakers, the incompetent & lazy at HMRC? But walk away from hard working productive victims of management endorsed bullying? The thing is 90% of PCS reps have been brainwashed by the brainless far left ideology that says wrongdoers are the victim of circumstances society put on them. Anyone else outside of their narrow outlook is underserving of support sadly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-27359764236749066112016-12-15T20:26:31.021+00:002016-12-15T20:26:31.021+00:00Quite right. Self-regulation, self-policing, self-...Quite right. Self-regulation, self-policing, self-supervising, self-reforming have all failed at HMRC. Unless or until independent governance is imposed on senior management nothing will change.<br /><br />Change can come about if enough past or present victims of HMRC misconduct refuse to suffer in silence and get the story out there. It can't go on like this. Victims should not be afraid of management's position, its that fear they hope will protect them from necessary scrutiny, and always bear in mind the law applies equally to everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-65073667233998998322016-12-15T20:00:50.639+00:002016-12-15T20:00:50.639+00:00Anyone wondering why management would act violentl...Anyone wondering why management would act violently towards some staff? Well, if I may explain how you get a management position at HMRC to start with. Very few staff who EXCEL at the REAL WORK are elevated to management. That leaves those who were less than average at the real work (but were rather good at brown nosing, bullying, and pretending to care about some pointless internal initiative) to be progressed by like minded people from within. And then we have the graduate direct entrants. The former, useless at the real work, feel inadequate & inferior to those they 'manage'. The latter, often well meaning, have only limited appreciation of what HMRC is for.<br />Thus the talented grafters are then stuck in the lower grades but become less effective as their morale is sapped away by thuggish management. Any normal organisation would want to retain their productive workers as they deliver the profit (financial/private or social/public); not HMRC though. Its a perfect recipe for the dysfunction we're always reading about. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-15098626206378927562016-12-15T19:11:25.460+00:002016-12-15T19:11:25.460+00:00There's nothing like management putting their ...There's nothing like management putting their own wages and cosy lifestyle at risk. CYA they say. If only they would think of the staff now & again, and indeed show a little motivation to the public they're paid to serve. A lot of management don't even have insight as to their core purpose - collecting the right amount of tax at the right time - and its treated as an inconvenient add on to the systematic bullying of targeted officers. Post 2005 its been a strange, and pathetic, place and a wee bit mismanaged at times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-34364891429001732202016-12-15T16:39:57.528+00:002016-12-15T16:39:57.528+00:00Interestingly, following the resurfacing of a hist...Interestingly, following the resurfacing of a historic letter from union to management it looks as though the words 'vicarious liability' might have triggered a reaction a couple of years ago as senior management began to realise their own positions could be at risk.<br />Motivation, wonderful thing at times?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-8685144421328210112016-12-15T11:16:25.165+00:002016-12-15T11:16:25.165+00:00An observation: 100 complaints were made. It resul...An observation: 100 complaints were made. It resulted in cover-up. Should those crown employees who covered up be personally sued at court to recover to the public purse all the money wasted on the corrupt behaviour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-46523401723851655252016-12-12T22:17:44.651+00:002016-12-12T22:17:44.651+00:00Yes, but I wonder what message it sends out in soc...Yes, but I wonder what message it sends out in society when those overpaid elites 'running' a tax organisation enforcing laws apparently struggle to keep within the rules themselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-69505223364159504432016-12-12T22:03:24.014+00:002016-12-12T22:03:24.014+00:00No one outside of HMRC really cares. They just thi...No one outside of HMRC really cares. They just think of the employees as "tea drinking Civil Servants". Few outside HMRC were concerned by Hart nets sweetheart deals, even less cared when the same man was caught having broken the Official Secrets Act. No wonder those at the top could give a shit about those that do the work so they can take their over inflated salaries for doing a shit job of their job with impunity knowing nothing or no one will touch them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-51995658019549724532016-12-10T09:41:23.865+00:002016-12-10T09:41:23.865+00:00Here's hoping,-silly mistake, Holong is in Wes...Here's hoping,-silly mistake, Holong is in West Bengal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-22270256695435112442016-12-10T09:38:21.460+00:002016-12-10T09:38:21.460+00:00So, given how deep the rabbit hole apparently goes...So, given how deep the rabbit hole apparently goes, what will it take for a deep and wide ranging investigation across HMRC's mismanagement and various law-breaking issues?<br />There will be a time when, as has been previously intimated, the media or someone else picks up this mangy dog and shakes it to see how many fleas and other objectionable items end up on the carpet.<br />There is a tipping point and from what has been posted over the last month that point may be closer than imagined.<br />Here's ho[ong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-13652047336425175302016-12-09T19:31:47.448+00:002016-12-09T19:31:47.448+00:00As 'twas I @ 13:14 above, and other contributi...As 'twas I @ 13:14 above, and other contributions, may I be permitted to reply and indulge...<br />Just to add a wee bit to the credence scenario please consider this;<br />I eventually left HMRC in disgust having run out of Sick leave and then SSP and for some mysterious reason my employer had not dismissed me for non-attendance? Despite having contibuted 40 years pension contributions because I was 59 (19 when I started ) when I went I only got 39/80ths on the pension. An appeal to the Pension people failed, c'est la vie! I would possibly have worked until 65, although given the way things are in there I might not have.<br />I am not alone in this experience and forgot to add to the previous estimate of costs the cost of a series of vexatious complaints made by a bullying manager who tried to muddy the waters. On this occasion, 6 people, most of whom were managers were complained against by a tw@t of a manager that had by all reckoning approx. 100 complaints and or grievances, of thiose found, 2 resulktyed in monetary compensatory payments to individuals.<br />Do I think there is a monumental cover-up? You better believe it.<br />My thanks for the perception and understanding of 15:36. Very astute analysis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-22931450035473518432016-12-09T15:36:20.653+00:002016-12-09T15:36:20.653+00:00The above is very interesting and to be put into c...The above is very interesting and to be put into context is not an isolated case. There is a massive story of misconduct and 'untouchables' to be heard in the public interest - my guess is its been suppressed for a number of years by HMRC. Once the stories finally get out - and all it would take is for the mainstream media such as the BBC, The Daily Mail, The Times etc to get a whiff of the reality in HMRC - there will doubtless be widespread calls for a public inquiry.<br /><br />When thinking about it the number of people aware of what goes on already - MPs, GPs, counsellors, ACAS, mental health specialists, trade unions, solicitors, and friends & family of the victims, it is surprising its been kept relatively quiet for so long. <br /><br />As for the cost - financial and human suffering etc - it is indeed so huge that it is unquantifiable. The cowardly unscrupulous monsters, who I am sure go round masquerading as decent civil servants, deserve to have more sleepless nights than the victims have suffered and should be brought to book. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-92155096484290268442016-12-09T13:16:45.492+00:002016-12-09T13:16:45.492+00:00OAC = PAC OAC = PAC Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-72723070505549170572016-12-09T13:14:54.818+00:002016-12-09T13:14:54.818+00:00Having raised the subject previously, the cost in ...Having raised the subject previously, the cost in terms of pain, anguish and stress to individuals, families and teams of bullying is huge.<br />It was estimated that the literal destruction of a small team of 6 and having to absorb their work elesewhere was around £3/4m taking into consideration specialist trained staff affected and the costs of long-term or permanent absence, sick relief, retraining, numerous grievance procedures and a few other bits besides including loss of respect from partner agencies and internal.<br />It comes to something when senior managers resign in disgust, but at least that should add credence to what is stated as happening in there.<br />2 previous heads knew all about it as did OAC/NAO, so how deep does this rabbit hole go?<br />I, and many others, await the opportunity of seeing the IPCC let loose on the bastards but somehow doubt that whatever, if anything, happens will be seen as a whitewash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-41900554440603012442016-12-09T12:58:03.393+00:002016-12-09T12:58:03.393+00:00Wasted funds + loss of more funds = misuse of publ...Wasted funds + loss of more funds = misuse of public funds. Bullying = violence (physical and/or emotional and/or mental). If people at HMRC are misusing public money and acting violently then surely if there is not a statute offence on which to prosecute, the common law offence of misconduct in public office is applicable and should be considered. It would send out a strong message of that they are cleaning up the place and that nobody is above the law. The reality is, when it suits them, HMRC do not even investigate so disciplinary action, never mind criminal prosecution, is never even considered and there are cases of SERVING officers who have got away with totally repugnant behaviour/misconduct. Are they a risk to tax payers? Corruption?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-10775738705010995822016-12-09T12:32:11.508+00:002016-12-09T12:32:11.508+00:00A good thread.I would be sure that a link would ex...A good thread.I would be sure that a link would exist between increased cases of sick absence through stress and the areas, floors or wings where bullying is prevalent. In other words a double whammy of wasted funds the equation being something like Pacesetter = wasted money + a gift to nasty insecure managers = bullying = stress related absence = loss of more funds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-16358543958252556322016-12-08T10:33:21.659+00:002016-12-08T10:33:21.659+00:00And so it continues, only now the calls for IPCC e...And so it continues, only now the calls for IPCC exceed those for PAC & HMIC combined.<br />Now that tells a trained mind a thing or two?<br /><br />Paging Mrs May, paging Mrs May, we know you are busy but...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-50965257362576685112016-12-08T09:55:23.006+00:002016-12-08T09:55:23.006+00:00"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of ..."The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" - too many timid yes people at HMRC standby while the brutal bullies ride roughshod over people's fundamental human rights. Time for IPCC to take a close look at the inhumane HMRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-57886938053140958862016-12-08T09:32:44.528+00:002016-12-08T09:32:44.528+00:00The above is very perceptive. The problems start ...The above is very perceptive. The problems start from the policy, deliberate or otherwise, of elevating yes people, inadequate bullies and 'untalented go getters' into 'management' positions at HMRC.<br /><br />As for the toxic atmosphere, if an organisation allows bullying and other law breaking to go unchecked, and if HMRC carries some unscrupulous untouchables who then run riot, the focus is not clearly not going to be on doing what they are paid for - delivering a top quality service to the public and exchequer.<br /><br />Those HMRC staff who do try, despite the atmosphere, to focus on the real job, and who tend to have the public service ethic, are normally the ones targeted by management via whatever means they fancy up to and including committing criminal offences, as a fact. The logical conclusion is the there is a drain of skilled, talented and committed staff, while those along for the ride who socialise with managers etc stay put. Does this affect the service the public get? Look at the mess the place is in. Read the PAC report.<br /><br />While PCS endorse timid reps who are masquerading as on the side of the victims, but really are untalented cowards scared of becoming managements next victim, the 'problem solving' process becomes somewhat convoluted, leaving workers with nowhere to turn. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-90735377085794483012016-12-08T07:58:48.745+00:002016-12-08T07:58:48.745+00:00PCS is continuing with its support for Pacesetter....PCS is continuing with its support for Pacesetter. There will be a very small percentage of reps who are exasperated over this but stay and hope there are changes from within but the majority are willing to hop aboard this carriage of hypocrites and untalented go getters in expectation of personal gain.<br />The rest of us are forced to partake in this wasteful nonsense.Lets get this straight ;<br />Pacesetter is a sharpened bullying implement giving managers a wide range of choices to fail you on the PMR process. If they don't like you there will be something there for them to fail you on. If they like you, there will be things for them to pass you on.<br />At present,I have never known such a toxic atmosphere in my of HMRC.You have teams of normally GOOD and DECENT people where EVERY member is hoping that their managers visit to the hospital will result in a grim diagnosis.<br />In the past managers would be given secret nicknames which were mild and non offensive. Now, some are tagged with names of the most disgusting creatures from the animal and reptile world.<br />When the onus should be on serving the public,we have to deal with the distraction of in house wars initiated by managers bullying workers and the workers having nowhere to turn.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-13175361072743749322016-12-07T20:52:00.502+00:002016-12-07T20:52:00.502+00:00Unless the sheeple get off their arses and write t...Unless the sheeple get off their arses and write to their M.P.'s and otherwise collectively create a lot of noise then fu@k all will happen, as it has for the last x years.<br /><br />Put up or shut up applies, you have to do more than moan on here about HMRC to even get noticed by anyone other than the 'monitors'. There are sufficient leads from the media, here and social media for someone to effectively join the dots. Ken?<br /><br />No smoke without fire? Jeez, its a wonder we can see through the clouds emanating from HMRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-41366160807632548452016-12-07T20:38:12.550+00:002016-12-07T20:38:12.550+00:00PCS union had NOTHING to say about a serving HMRC ...PCS union had NOTHING to say about a serving HMRC senior officer committing a criminal offence, the victim being a then HMRC officer, and HMRC turning a blind eye as to the action and consequences. <br /><br />If a trade union can not stand up for basic standards of professional and law abiding behaviour then there really is no point to them. I am sorry, but it is disgusting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29600742611858461.post-10283153780041883992016-12-07T20:26:47.068+00:002016-12-07T20:26:47.068+00:00PCS like to privatise the profits and socialise th...PCS like to privatise the profits and socialise the losses.<br /><br />Think of the profits being the members fees which they pocket and share for their own ends - huge wages, food, political campaigns etc. Think of the losses being the loss of your job etc down to their incompetence and misconduct. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com