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Wednesday, 11 November 2020

HMRC's Furlough Deadline Causes Confusion


The Caterer reports that employees who changed jobs during October and were not included on their new company's PAYE Real Time Information (RTI) system until the last day of the month will not be able to access the government's extended furlough scheme.

Hospitality operators have voiced their concern that as a result newly employed staff are going to be left with no income support.

For employees to be eligible for the furlough payment, equal to 80% of their usual salary for hours not worked, up to a maximum of £2,500 per month, the employer must have made a RTI submission to HMRC between 20 March 2020 and 30 October 2020, notifying a payment of earnings for the employee.

However, many companies do not make their RTI submission until the last day of the month or first day of the next month, meaning that many employees will miss out on furlough payments by a matter of hours. 

A spokesperson for HMRC confirmed that this was the case. 

"The employee being claimed for has to be on a RTI submission on 30 October or beforehand, or they won't be eligible."

New employees who have missed out on furlough via their new employer can be re-employed by their former company, as long as they were on the payroll of that business on 23 September 2020 and a RTI submission was made to HMRC for that employee between 20 March and 23 September.

"Whichever business is employing the person and has them on their PAYE scheme, they are ultimately liable for their NICs and pension contributions."

If the two businesses want to form their own agreement on the matter, then that's up to them. But ultimately it's the company actually furloughing the person that is liable for the NI and pension contributions."

Let's make things complicated!

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  1. Off-topic, but with the apparent cover-up of Priti Patel's bullying at the highest level of government, how are things in HMRC in November 2020? The HMRC bullying culture has been well discussed on here over the years, with many victims' lives ruined.
    We are in the process of putting together a case of misconduct by cover up by 3 individuals in HMRC - two in HR and one at Grade 6 level: their behaviour has not been forgotten.
    Suppose BJ's apparent decision on PP's bulling will be perceived as a victory for bullies in HMRC and the wider public sector.
    Very interested to hear whether bullying and cover-up is still commonplace in HMRC, and whether any staff have been disciplined and/or dismissed within the past 12 months.
    From what we understand, HMRC remains an unsafe place to work.

    1. Hi.
      I am intrigued by the phrase "an unsafe place to work".
      Could you please expand.

    2. By all accounts, unsafe means staff are at *high risk* of psychological injury and illness due to the culture of bullying and discrimination at HMRC. Several people have described horrific treatment in HMRC on this site and several other sites.
      Moreover, the consistency of those accounts, together with media coverage of the Laura Whyte etc report, which was commissioned by HMRC after cases became too numerous to hide, suggests there is a real problem in HMRC which has, thus far, not been adequately remedied.

    3. Who is the "we" you refer to pulling the case together and can you name names so others can come forward?

    4. This all sounds absolutely horrific.
      If there has been any legal wrongdoing I trust someone has referred the matter to the police.