Tuesday 18 January 2022

HMRC Has a Sense of Humour - HMRC Responses to Inaccurate Claims

 

HMRC responses to inaccurate claims

Responses to myths, misconceptions and inaccurate stories or claims about HMRC.

HMRC does not do ‘sweetheart deals’ with anyone

Fact: HMRC does not do ‘sweetheart deals’. HMRC makes sure every taxpayer, no matter what their size, pays everything they owe.

Explained

HMRC collects the right amount of tax due under UK law. We make sure every taxpayer, no matter what their size, pays everything they owe.

There are no special deals or reduced rates – everyone has to pay what they owe whether you’re a multinational or someone in Self Assessment.

Last year (2020 to 2021, HMRC’s efforts saw the biggest businesses pay an extra £13.2 billion. This is money that would have gone unpaid without our intervention. Since 2010, we have brought in £94 billion of additional tax from large businesses that would otherwise have not reached our schools, hospitals and other vital public services.

When HMRC and a taxpayer dispute how much tax is due, there are only 2 ways to resolve this:

1) the business agrees to pay the tax, interest and penalties owed
2) the matter is taken to a tribunal or court

When a business agrees to pay the tax due, there is a legal process to be followed and it is the same for the smallest businesses and for global enterprises. The vast majority of disputes, large and small, are settled this way.

HMRC will never accept a lower payment than we could win in court. We will only accept the full amount of tax, interest and penalties owed.

If multinational corporations do not agree to settle a dispute with HMRC, we will take this to a tribunal, and we win most cases.

The National Audit Office (NAO), the UK’s Independent public spending watchdog, has full access to HMRC’s papers and has previously scrutinised the way that we resolve tax disputes in large and complex enquiries. In 2012, the NAO appointed a retired High Court Judge to examine our largest settlements and concluded that HMRC had obtained good settlements in all cases.

HMRC ensures all taxpayers pay what they owe

Fact: HMRC ensures all taxpayers - from the smallest business to the biggest multinational - pays the tax due under UK law.

Explained

At any given time HMRC has around half of the UK’s 2,000 largest businesses under investigation. This compares with around one in ten small businesses.

This is because the largest companies often pose the biggest tax risks. We closely monitor the compliance of large companies with individual tax inspectors dedicated to scrutinising a single company. This resource-intensive approach is the most cost-effective way of ensuring they pay the right amount of tax.

Last year (2020 to 2021), HMRC’s efforts saw the biggest businesses pay an extra £13.2 billion. This is money that would have gone unpaid without our intervention.

The UK tax gap for large businesses is among the lowest in the world, with the latest figures showing this customer segment pays over 97.5% of theoretical liabilities.

Most large business tax disputes are down to different legal interpretations around complex transactions. New rules mean businesses must tell us when their tax arrangements may be subject to legal challenge further strengthening our ability to ensure big businesses pay the tax they legally should.

HMRC has successfully tackled coronavirus help scheme fraud and error

Fact: Robust measures were put in place to control error and fraud in the key coronavirus support schemes. The controls put in place delivered results.

Explained

Throughout this crisis, the government has acted to protect people’s jobs and livelihoods while supporting businesses and public services across the UK. The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme helped to pay the wages of people in 11.7 million jobs and 2.9 million self-employed workers have received a Self-Employment Income Support Scheme grant.

From the beginning it was clear the schemes would be targets for fraud and that customers would make mistakes. HMRC was clear on this from the outset, with Permanent Secretary Jim Harra warning MPs of this in 2020. HMRC’s current estimate for the amount lost to fraud and error in the schemes during 2020 to 2021 is 8.7% in Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, 2.5% in Self-Employment Income Support Scheme phases 1 to 3, and 8.5% in the Eat Out to Help Out scheme. This equates to £5.8 billion, against a spend of £81.2 billion, and is in line with the original planning assumptions that informed the design of the schemes.

We designed the schemes to prevent as much fraud as possible before any payments were made, while still quickly supporting those who needed it. We designed the schemes to protect public money by:

  • as far as possible, only making grants for employees and businesses using data held on HMRC systems
  • preventing ineligible claims from being made and blocking suspicious claims from payment
  • using HMRC’s extensive knowledge to make an informed assumption of the error and fraud risk
  • investing in post-payment compliance to identify and recover overpayments

By building automated controls into the digital claim process, we prevented more than 100,000 ineligible or mistaken claims, and by carrying our pre-payment checks based on our risk and intelligence profiles, we blocked more than 29,000 claims and registrations in 2020 to 2021. This has effectively countered the threat from organised crime – just 0.3% of the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme grants paid were estimated to be lost to organised criminals.

HMRC invested in improvements to our online services to make it easier for customers to get it right. Customers returned over £650 million in grants they no longer required and made repayments of more than £350 million to correct mistakes without HMRC intervention, largely through our online disclosure facility.

Work to recover fraud and error began almost as soon as the schemes launched. We recovered £500 million of overpayments in 2020 to 2021. The government then invested £100 million in a Taxpayer Protection Taskforce of 1,265 HMRC staff to combat fraud in the schemes. We expect the taskforce to recover £800 million to £1 billion between 2021 and 2023.

HMRC customer service has not been impacted by staff working from home

FACT: HMRC’s staff members have been working effectively from home since the pandemic began in March 2020 and we are continuing to work hard to support our customers. In fact, in the first half of 2021 to 2022, our customer service has not only improved, but we have also reduced the average time taken to answer calls by more than 4 minutes.

Explained

Over the course of the pandemic, we made choices about the work we prioritised in order to protect our essential services and the livelihoods of our customer groups who need it the most. We prioritised the coronavirus support schemes, the UK’s smooth transition from the European Union and the essential services that keep the tax system running.

Working from home has not been a factor - HMRC colleagues have been working effectively wherever they are throughout the pandemic.

We are in a year of recovery and are making solid progress. We stabilised our overall phone service and are now working through the stocks of post that built up over the past year. We have been able to move more people back to our core tax activities now the coronavirus schemes have ended. Through the measures we are putting in place, and the hard work of our teams, we are on track to be delivering normal (pre-pandemic) performance on our core service lines by April this year (2022).

How HMRC contacts its customers

FACT: Sometimes, HMRC contacts its customers via phone, text and email but we encourage customers to Stop, Challenge, and Protect to ensure that they do not fall victim to scams that impersonate government messages.

Explained

In order to reduce the number of people falling victim to scams such as these, we have issued advice that encourages our customers to Stop, Challenge, and Protect.

Stop:

  • take a moment to think before parting with your money or information
  • if a phone call, text, or email is unexpected, don’t give out private information or reply, and don’t download attachments or click on links before checking on GOV.UK that the contact is genuine
  • do not trust caller ID on phones - numbers can be spoofed

Challenge:

Protect:

Criminals use phone calls texts and emails to try and dupe citizens, often mimicking government messages to make them appear authentic. Typical scams include:

  • phone calls threatening arrest if people don’t immediately pay fictitious tax owed
  • phone calls claiming that the victim’s national insurance number has been used fraudulently
  • emails or texts offering suspicious tax rebates or bogus coronavirus grants or support

HMRC will never contact you to ask you to urgently transfer money or give personal information, nor will we ever ring you out of the blue threatened your arrest. Only criminals do that and instances of phone calls, texts, or emails like that should set alarm bells ringing.

This is why our key message is to ask customers to take their time, remain vigilant, and to use our Stop, Challenge, and Protect advice.



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51 comments:

  1. With HMRC's appalling track record of dishonesty, including covering up misconduct, illegalities and workplace bullying and violence, their above communication is super reassuring... Nothing to see here, move along...

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  2. Why don't you report the illegality to the police.
    Oh sorry, I forgot, you refuse to answer that question. In fact, you refuse to answer any leading question.
    Can't imagine why!

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  3. As we see with the 'Sue Gray' inquiry into whatever has been alleged at the heart of government, the police put too much weight on civil service inquiries i.e. the public have reported this to the police, the police want to wait for the civil service report.

    Now, if the police will not investigate alleged crimes at a senior level of government and the civil service, they will not investigate allegations of criminality within the rotten HMRC.

    Generally, civil service inquiries can't be trusted (their aim is to cover up or reframe what has happened, enabling the guilty to evade accountability) and its time for a major overhaul of governance processes and the culture of corruption.

    All I will see say is that we retain evidence of lawbreaking by HMRC staff (management and the HR casework) and one day they will face justice. The truth has been covered up for a while, but a humiliating defeat awaits them. How do these HMRC crooks sleep at night?

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    1. So can we get this correct:
      You have given your evidence of HMRC criminality to the police and they refused to do anything about it pending an internal enquiry? Please confirm.
      What was the result of this enquiry?
      How was the boyfriend of your manager trespassing on your property and threatening your family fobbed off?
      Has your solicitor considered a civil case?
      Have you taken your grievances to an Employment Tribunal and if so what was the result?
      Have you taken out a restraining order against your former line manager and her boyfriend?
      What is your MPs views on the matter and has he/she raised the matter at ministerial level. If so, what was the response? If not, why not?
      Or are you continuing to do FA other than post on here?

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    2. Damn predictive text! 'Inquiry'.

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    4. I would ask what the police and your solicitor did when you passed on the evidence of criminality to them but what's the point - as usual you would refuse to respond.

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    5. Bad things happen when people know they will not be punished for their criminality/lawbreaking: certain people being above the law is firmly embedded into HMRC's workplace culture. For that reason, there should be a meticulous investigation into historic and ongoing staff bullying and misconduct at HMRC. That investigation must be truly independent, identify and gather evidence to discipline and prosecute the guilty and go much further than the Laura Whyte report which, although it established a casual culture of bullying at HMRC, achieved and solved nothing. Perhaps the motive behind the Whyte report was to draw a line under historic bullying, but the truth is those who have broken the law must be held *personally* accountable.

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    6. What is the point of a meticulous investigation into HMRC criminality when those who hold evidence of said criminality refuse to share it with the relevant authorities?

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    8. Let me get this correct, HMRC thought it was reasonable to disclose your personal data to your manager's boyfriend because he used to be a teacher?
      I've looked at the legislation; there's definitely nothing in there that suggests that is a reasonable excuse of any kind. Don't let HMRC mug you off. They should face the full force of the law and public scrutiny.

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    9. So, if the "truth will not be suppressed", and "these vile people tried to push me to suicide", can you PLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE let us all know why you continue to do nothing with the evidence of crimes that you claim to possess.
      I'm afraid that you can bluster all you want but until you address this question your story remains largely unbelievable.
      As you knew that Chris was the boyfriend of your former line manager then the " old fashioned investigative work" was less than Poirotesque.
      And please don't go missing again only to reappear on another thread - just tell us wtf you're going to do with the evidence.
      And don't take the cheap route by calling me a troll for asking perfectly reasonable questions.

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    12. @ 30/1 21:10 Why do you imagine that identifying the full name of my manager's boyfriend (not named here to protect the guilty) to whom sensitive personal data was unlawfully divulged would be an easy process?

      I get it that you're a troll (you read and digested my earlier, now removed, detailed reply) but it really is not difficult to understand why it was such an exhaustive process to legally identify this rogue.

      HMRC refused to provide any details, save as to his first name and, irrelevantly, that he was an 'ex teacher'.

      I knew little about my HMRC manager, other than her being a bully who seriously breached my privacy, and nothing about her private life (and cared even less).

      And to just to recap, HMRC did admit to breaching my personal data.

      But HMRC refused to provide full details to obstruct justice and prevent lawsuits.

      So, while you attempt to trivialise HMRC misconduct with your "Poirotesque" sarcasm, please do feel free to elaborate!

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    13. I'm not a troll, I'm just kind of p*ssed off with you refusing to answer any questions.
      And you miss the point entirely. If HMRC divulged confidential data to Mr X then it is not Mr X who committed an offence it is HMRC.
      You also claim that HMRC have admitted to breaching your personal data. And so we return, YET AGAIN, to the gigantic elephant in the room:
      WHY HAVE YOU DONE NOTHING WITH YOUR EVIDENCE OF HMRC CRIMINALITY.
      As long as you continue with your allegations I will continue with that question, even if it takes years.

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  4. WHY are HMRC staff STILL working at home?
    Time to get those lazy scroungers back into the office!!!

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    1. HMRC staff have continued to work throughout COVID, changing jobs monthly to implement SEISS and JRS etc, with little training. Whilst the self employed claimed huge grants whilst continuing to work, and those on furlough had a year off on near full pay ! We didn’t get anything , no extra grants, no bonuses, nothing. And I can tell you we have worked really hard, many of us only earning £10 to £15 per hour,and it has been extremely stressful for the staff of HMRC. So please don’t say that we are lazy.

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    2. Better still, sack the lazy scroungers.

      The pandemic has exposed the real divide in our society: the divide between those who work in the real world and civil service and council 'workers'.

      Ps. It would help the public pursue (and the NHS) if HMRC did something about the epidemic of obesity which affects the majority of staff - what a terrible image those scruffy, unhealthy looking people project.

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    3. Dear @ 17:09 - your blind hatred is starting to make you look like a bit of a basket case.
      No attempt to address the millions of private sector workers furloughed and/or working from home? Of course not, that doesn't fit in with your twisted, hate-filled view of the world.
      And your PS is an absolute classic. If only the clinically obese and scruffy HMRC staff could look like the beautiful, muscular, Gucci-wearing people in the private sector all will be well in the world.
      Tra la la!

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    4. "...changing jobs monthly..." , bleats an HMRC employee.

      The fact they believe this to be somehow remarkable speaks to how out of touch HMRC are with the public they purport to serve.

      And why should we pay the electricity bills for these workshy people to sit at home getting fatter and fatter on full pay?

      15 GBP per hour plus all the other perks is way too excessive. I trust Mr Sunak is looking into cutting some of these unproductive jobs.

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    5. Dear 22/1 @17:09 Try as you might to make it sound trivial, the obesity crisis among HMRC staff is something that should concern all taxpayers.

      No, its not about aesthetics, its about the impact these greedy guts have on service provision.

      How many sick days are caused by the average departmental BMI being 35+, and what is the cost to the country?

      Why should the public pay for the hugely expensive, specialist chairs procured to ensure the HMRC fatties can sit in comfort? A FOI request would reveal the bill taxpayers have to pick up.

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    6. To anonymous 09.20

      I’d be interested to know your hourly rate and what sector you work in?

      And for your information we have to pay our own electric and internet bills

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    7. Dear 23/1 @11:28 - could you please post a link to where you discovered the average BMI of HMRC staff. Did all staff agree to having their BMI measured. If not, is this a Human Rights issue? How does this compare to the BMI people in the private sector?
      Please illuminate us all, I find this fascinating.

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    8. Just checked BMI on Doctor Google. To be 35+ the average male would have to be over 17 stones and the average female over 14 stones!
      Looks like @11:28 is just another internet looney.
      Shame.

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    9. Spot on. There are many fat men and women at HMRC in excess of 17 and 14 stones respectively. Its just the profile of the lazy, ill-disciplined type of greedy guts who make up the bulk of their staff. Get them back into the office. And if they walk to work, they might just do themselves a favour.

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    10. The original post said that the average BMI for a member of staff in HMRC is over 35. This is clearly not true - the size of people in HMRC is no different than those in any other office environment, public or private sector.
      You are either on a tedious wind-up which is amusing/impressing nobody or have serious mental issues.

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    11. Is the average BMI in the country 35+? Errr, no!
      Face facts, HMRC has a staff obesity problem!
      "You should cut down on your pork life mate, get some exercise..."
      The salad dodging fatties at HMRC are a embarrassment!

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    12. You were asked before where you got the information regarding the BMI of HMRC staff.
      You refused to answer.
      Bore off, you silly person.

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    13. At the HMRC where I worked back in the day, we had some chubsters who broke their specialist chairs at least once a year!!
      In Field Force, we had some Debt 'Collectors' who ate more pork pies than they collected debt!!

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    15. 25/1/22 @ 11:08 - you casually gloss over the obvious point of my post, that it would be impossible to calculate the BMI of the staff without their co-operation and compliance which obviously would not be forthcoming. Therefore the entire '35+' nonsense is clearly untrue.
      Much more importantly you continue to refuse to respond to the repeated requests for clarity on why you are supposedly sitting on evidence of the most serious criminal activity within HMRC and doing nothing with it. I'm afraid that occasional vague comments along the lines of 'the truth will out one day' just don't cut the mustard with something as serious as this.
      Either do something about it or people will quite reasonably assume that this evidence of criminality simply doesn't exist.

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  5. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10426745/Whitehall-office-space-HALF-civil-servants-based-there.html

    The PCS Union - protector of HMRC abusers and other wrong 'uns - warns against a "headlong rush" back into the office. Quelle surprise. Translation: our members have become accustomed to sitting at home getting paid to watch daytime telly.

    With inflation so high, there is a moral case to urgently cut the pay of HMRC and other civil service staff until they return to the office.

    And there should be a pay freeze for at least 2 years in any event. Why should private sector workers and the self employed be forced to economically compete with workshy, parasitical civil service staff who have suffered no hardship, and plenty of rewards, throughout the pandemic?

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    1. So what about the several million in the private sector who have been working from home during the pandemic. I take it that they are also workshy parasites who have had "plenty of rewards".
      But no that will be different, won't it?

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    2. This is a fuss over nothing. If (IF) civil servants are told to return to the office by their bosses then they are obliged to do so under the terms and conditions of their contract of employment- which, of course said bosses are fully aware of.
      PS who are the "abusers and other wrong 'uns" that PCS protect. It's almost as if you have evidence of criminality that you refuse to do anything about.
      Quelle surprise.

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    3. The union, PCS, is complicit in HMRC's bullying culture in that they try 'to play God', or pick the winner.
      For example, a member who is a victim of misconduct is likely to be raising issues concerning other members.
      This is why people should be wary about paying subs to PCS: when you need them the most, they will throw you under the bus.
      In my case, my union rep was passing confidential information to the same manager who was engaged in a campaign of harassment and using criminal data breaches as an intimidation tactic.
      I raised the issue of basically corrupt PCS reps with PCS's legal officer, Phil Madelin. It led to an extraordinary and abusive outburst from him, which was extremely threatening. We retain the full email from Madelin - this union official is a disgrace to the cause of employment rights, disability rights and human rights.

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    4. I am glad that you have retained the email. If it is "extremely threatening" might it not constitute a criminal offence. If it does you should refer it to the police.
      Or alternatively you could send it to an anti-union, anti-public sector newspaper such as the Daily Mail who would probably be happy to publish the story.
      Or alternatively you could just post on here and refuse to do anything about the wrongs committed against you and your family.
      Hmm.......I wonder which option you'll choose!

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  6. There are some mad fuckers on this thread. Since when was working from home a mortal sin? LBC loons also griefing civil servants for not returning to the office as it impacts local businesses.

    They didn't give a fuck and neither did the government when the majority of HMRC offices and enquiry centres were closed, so why should we give a fuck what they think now?

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    1. WHY?!!
      Because we pay your f***ing wages!
      We stop you wandering the streets
      We saved you from the dole
      YOU are OUR (useless) servants
      OUR elected government has every right to tell lazy civil servants to get out of bed and get into the office, OR face the sack!
      Yes a lot of mad fuckers working there - are YOU one of them by any chance???

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    2. Not in bed though you daft sod. Busy working and have worked all of the way through the pandemic.

      Can you not comprehend that working from home does not equate to not working?



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    3. The public don't trust HMRC workers to work at home!!!
      No wonder phone calls are going unanswered. They spend more time in the kitchen, in the fridge and stuffing their fat faces with junk food than they do on the work we pay them for.
      It's the public that suffers LBC/talkRADIO/The Sun/Daily Mail are correct to draw attention to these issues .

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    4. What is it with your obsession about the eating habits and supposed weight of HMRC staff?
      You really do come across as having a bit of a mental problem.

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    5. Give over. You do realise there's more to HMRC than call centre staff and that many roles are non public facing (and can be undertaken remotely)?

      In defence of the call centre staff, they can also work effectively from home and are subject to a raft of electronic performance monitoring. They're not slacking, just busy.

      As for this bizarre tangent about weight, get out of the playground. All you need to add is that we all smell and you will have successfully regressed to infant school.

      Also, if you're not already popping a valve, you'll be happy to know that we are moving to hybrid working that will see us able to work from home at least two days per week (contractual).

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  7. £15 an hour? I’d need a 50% pay rise to reach that! Without me and my other fat lazy HMRC colleagues working from home you wouldn’t have got your furlough payments to precisely sit at home doing nothing while we were actually working all during lockdown.

    So who’s the lazy scroungers in this scenario? If we were doing nothing you could have come and worked in the call centre with instructions changing by the hour and getting flipped onto another helpline at a moments notice, getting shouted at for £10 an hour and shown us how it should be done.

    You’re just a sad little troll.

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    1. Not me! I've been working hard throughout the pandemic to help people cut their tax bills. Loads of in-person meetings (as the rules permitted), lots of handshaking and loads of money earned!

      Home working (when there's an option to get into the office) and furlough is something exploited by the lazy and weak-minded.

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    2. 28/1/22 @11:41 - couldn't agree more! The millions of lazy and weak-minded private sector workers who were furloughed should all be sacked.
      Doing absolutely nothing on 80% of wages funded from the public purse - utter scum.

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  8. Well done you, I’ve also been working hard through the pandemic helping people get their furlough payments, the difference I’ve been doing it at home and earning £1.09 above min wage.

    So me working from home, taking the exact same calls and being monitored for every minute I’m logged on makes me lazy? How exactly?

    Its given me 2 hours travelling and bus fares back but I’m still doing the exact same job in the exact same hours as I would whether I’m in the office or not.

    So again how does that make me lazy and weak-minded?

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  9. In my service spanning three decades at HMRC I discovered that most senior managers and HR 'Business Partners' are cowards. If they were held personally accountable for all the abuse and misconduct, including the cover ups thereof, I would imagine it would have a transformational impact on their behaviour overnight. Whilst they can hide behind the collective, the abusive working practices will continue. A quick glance at comments on Indeed, Glass Door, Safe Working et al demonstrates the HMRC bullying culture is alive and unwell. I think the HMRC apologist, enjoying his HMRC pension, should open his eyes and wake up to the reality of how his masters behave.

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    1. You are not being bullied on this site. You are being asked perfectly reasonable questions which you have ignored for years.
      The solution is in your hands.

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    2. Eh? Oh look, there's a squirrel! Typical HMRC employee type. Who said there any bullying on this site?

      Some cry baby clearly can't read. Probably the usual apologist for those committing HMRC misconduct.

      For those who are more literate and possess comprehension abilities, please do have a look at the comments on other sites. There you will see comments from HMRC employees sharing their experiences of HMRC bullying!

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    3. Calm down, dear, calm down. You'll make yourself unwell.
      Still not answering the questions?

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