I see that our old chum Treasury Minister David Gauke has vented his spleen on the Jimmy Carr K2 tax avoidance issue.
His comments come after The Times sent an undercover reporter to a tax seminar, which outlined a scheme known as K2. The Times says comedian Jimmy Carr is one of those who uses the scheme, although his lawyers stress he has done nothing wrong.
Avoidance and, for the moment, the K2 scheme is perfectly legal.
However, that did not stop Gauke from commenting (based on what he read in the media, rather on what he actually has discussed with HMRC or other tax/legal experts) saying that he would describe the K2 scheme as fitting into the chancellor's description of "morally repugnant".
He is quoted by the BBC:
"Where there are arrangements that are artificial, that are contrived, that are not undertaken for any genuine commercial reason, but are purely designed to reduce tax liability, then that is something that we want to address.I would remind Gauke, and his fellow cabinet ministers, of what I wrote in April, on another site, about the dangers of politicians digging themselves into holes wrt tax avoidance:
Graham Aaronson has rightly highlighted his proposals for a general anti-abuse rule, which we are taking forward and, actually, the government is doing an awful lot in this area.
If you look at international comparisons actually HMRC performs pretty well in terms of yield and the size of the tax gap, but there's more to do.
My understanding is that HMRC were already investigating this particular scheme and, although I don't want to be drawn too much into the specifics, a lot of what has been said about how this scheme operates is the sort of thing that actually doesn't work any more.
Very often you get these promoters who will be, of course, selling their product... it doesn't always work quite as effectively as they like to make out to their potential clients. So I know HMRC are on the case on this particular matter."
"David Cameron dug himself into another hole today, by discussing his dislike of "aggressive tax avoidance" (which of course is perfectly legal).I leave the final word to Christie Malry who tweeted:
Tax Journal reports that John Humphys noted on this morning’s Today programme that the Chancellor said in the Budget that he regarded tax evasion and ‘aggressive tax avoidance’ as ‘morally repugnant’.
He was trying to clarify, he said, what the government meant by ‘aggressive tax avoidance’ and offered Cameron a case study:
"A very successful businessman (you’ll know who I’m talking about) creates a structure that transfers most of the ownership of [his] company to his wife through offshore companies based in the Channel Islands. She lives in Monaco, he takes a huge dividend – it’s paid to her, it’s estimated that this reduces his tax bill by hundreds of millions of pounds.’So there you have it folks, "aggressive tax avoidance" is whatever the government chooses to define as "aggressive tax avoidance"; the fact that it is perfectly legal seems to escape them.
Humphrys asked: ‘Is that “aggressive tax avoidance” and therefore morally repugnant?’
Cameron declined several times to answer the question, saying he was not going to discuss an individual’s tax affairs. Humphrys said Cameron knew that the individual was Sir Philip Green, whom Cameron recruited to advise the government.
Cameron said he did not know Green’s tax affairs and offered his own definition.
‘There are things that people do that reduce their tax liability, for instance they put money into a pension scheme.’
‘Rather than Monaco,’ Humphrys said.
‘Absolutely,’ Cameron said. ‘I think putting money into a pension scheme is a sensible thing to encourage people to do and that doesn’t count as aggressive tax avoidance … I’m very clear about the difference between putting money into pension schemes or Enterprise Investment Schemes to help start-up businesses, and there is that form of tax avoidance where people are almost specifically setting up a company in order to avoid tax rather than actually wanting to invest in start-ups and the rest of it.’
The government had taken a lot of steps to try to reduce ‘this sort of activity’, Cameron added. ‘For instance we have put £900m extra into HMRC to enable them to go after aggressive tax avoidance.’
Aggressive tax avoidance was wrong, he said. ‘It’s right that the government is going after this activity. Everyone should pay their taxes properly.’
Generally speaking, he told Humphrys, it was ‘sensible’ for a Prime Minister not to have dealings with people engaged in aggressive tax avoidance."
Georgie Porgie and Cameron need to be reminded of the wise words of Lord Templeman in 1992:"There is no morality in a tax and no illegality or immorality in a tax avoidance scheme.""
"If tax was voluntary and paid by the consumer, none of you would opt to pay it. So, seriously, shut the hell up about tax avoidance."Avoidance is a perfectly normal human thing to try to do, the politicians are not in a position to lecture the rest of us on "morality".
Tax does have to be taxing.
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