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Friday, 3 September 2010

The Dash For Cash

Dash For Cash
Contractor UK warns that HMRC are making a "dash for cash" this Autumn.

The next few months will see an increase in the number of small firms being scrutinised under HMRC's inquiry process.

The reason?

Brown bankrupted Britain, and there is now a £158BN hole in the public finances.

Abbey Tax is quoted by Contractor UK as claiming that the number of insurance claims filed by accountants (triggered when a client receives an HMRC inquiry) doubled in June this year.

It will get worse.

HMRC inspectors have been tasked to bring in as much money as possible, as quickly as possible.

Make the most of the last few days of Summer, it's going to be a lousy Autumn!

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31 comments:

  1. Should be interesting, there cannot be many of us with any money left. I spent all my spare cash on telephone bills trying to get access to the online system sorted out.

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  2. It's nonsense. HMRC has shed thousands of jobs in the last few years, 25-40% cuts are on the way, the management of the place is a shambles and the few people left are far too busy filling in the latest meaningless spreadsheets to have any time left to think about such arcane concepts as "collecting tax". Don't worry, it won't happen.

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  3. Its a load of shit. Its like Hitler in the bunker wondering when certain Army Groups were gonna strike.
    As 17:03 says they got rid of thousands.
    Its a lot of hot air. Enjoy your Autumn.

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  4. Dash for cash? I think not given that which was announced today.

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  5. Theres no dash for cash if you are an employee. There are so many open cases for 2008/9 and 2009/10 that it has been decided not to bother collecting PAYE underpayments which are less than £300. Staff have been told that this is because the number of enquiries that would arise if the previous tolerance of £50 stayed in force would swamp the Call Centres.

    Actually the new tolerance is supposed to be a secret even from staff!

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  6. "Theres no dash for cash if you are an employee. There are so many open cases for 2008/9 and 2009/10 that it has been decided not to bother collecting PAYE underpayments which are less than £300. Staff have been told that this is because the number of enquiries that would arise if the previous tolerance of £50 stayed in force would swamp the Call Centres.

    Actually the new tolerance is supposed to be a secret even from staff!"

    I'm a member of CC staff and DID NOT know this!!!

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  7. "I'm a member of CC staff and DID NOT know this!!!"

    That's because you do not need to know how the system works you need to just read the script on the screen.

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  8. The dash for cash is also gonna come becuase HMRC are sloppy and cant do sums.
    Nearly 1 and half million people are gonna have to cough up £1,400.00.

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  9. So - If you owe £299 you get away with it and if you owe £301 you have to pay it all? So much for a fair taxation system.

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  10. So - If you owe £299 you get away with it and if you owe £301 you have to pay it all? So much for a fair taxation system.

    I suppose HMRC staff made sure none of them owe over £300 before setting the lmit.

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  11. Just read this on the BBC site:
    A new computer system introduced by HMRC in 2009 has allowed more discrepancies to be identified.

    Is that the same computer system that caused the problems in the first place?

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  12. I don't know what the fuss is all about,every year there are open cases,every year people underpay tax within PAYE.Taxpayers and employers don't always supply the information in time.peoples circumstances change taxable benefits change,allowances change, underpayment/overpayments arise.At the end of the day it's up to each person to check and insure their codes and affairs are correct and the information used is correct.
    HMRC can't do it if we don't have up to date info submitted as soon as the changes happen.

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  13. At the end of the day it's up to each person to check and insure their codes and affairs are correct and the information used is correct.

    Lucky a lot of people don't get it right then isn't it or twats like you would be on jobseekers where you belong.

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  14. @Anonymous at 00:32:

    Anonymous at 23:15 is right; the onus is on the employer and taxpayer to tell us of changes in circumstances. If neither of them bothers, how the hell are we supposed to know? Thought transference?

    You're like the twerp I dealt with a while back who wanted to know why he had had a big underpayment put in his code (which he claimed was going to cause him hardship; yeah, on a salary four times mine, sure!). When I told him it was because we'd only just found out that he'd had a company car for two years, he went ballistic and denied that he or his employer had any responsibility for passing the info to us.

    What would you have us do? Hang around outside people's houses to check? You'd be yabbing on about "Der Nanny State" if we did.

    Think a bit more before you go throwing words like "twat" around at us, you twonk.

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  15. 23:15 may well be right but lets face it your systems have caused a lot of this problem. I know people whos details on your systems are correct but they still got incorrect codes. They noticed the problem and managed to get it corrected.

    There is also the fact that HMRC claimed there was not a problem when there clearly was.

    I stand by my comment that anyone defending HMRC at this time is a twat.

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  16. If you can't (or won't) make the distinction between those of us who have to operate the system and those who put it there and make us use it, and instead simply abuse everyone within HMRC, then I see little point in trying to explain further.

    It's not our fault that management - from Dame Witless down to the frontliners - combine the people skills of Caligula with the vision of Stevie Wonder.

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  17. I can very easily make the distinction between those who run HMRC and those who operate the system because I live with a call centre adviser.

    My comment relates directly to the people who defend HMRC and try and put blame on the taxpayer when things go wrong. The fact is that the tax code problem which seems to be at the centre of this latest problem is not down to the fact that you where given wrong information but down to the fact that your new system was not tested fully.

    I accept that this is not the fault of the front line staff but when they where told to tell people everything was working correctly when they knew full well it was not why should anyone have to distinguish between those who run HMRC and those who operate the systems?

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  18. "I accept that this is not the fault of the front line staff but when they where told to tell people everything was working correctly when they knew full well it was not why should anyone have to distinguish between those who run HMRC and those who operate the systems?"

    And if we had refused to pass on the BS from management about the system working properly?

    C&D procedings for "insubordination" or similar. What would you have us do?

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  19. 14:05 here:

    And if we had refused to pass on the BS from management about the system working properly?

    C&D procedings for "insubordination" or similar. What would you have us do?


    Lying to tax payers is not acceptable and in my opinion makes you no better than the people running HMRC. I would expect you to be honest at all times and if this resulted in disciplinary being taken against you then that is where your union comes in.

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  20. I made a written complaint about a telephone operator lying to me earlier this year and have not received so much as an acknowledgement. So in my book you are all the same and not worth giving a toss about.

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  21. I got dogs abuse from a woman who got caught trying to steal £3000 that should have gone to her employees so in my book you are all the same and not worth giving a toss about.

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  22. Well done for catching her.

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  23. You do not have to lie to tax payers. Follow the Civil Service code which clearly states that you have to be honest and truthful in all your dealings. If SM come after you with C&D then that is prima facie evidence for a Tribunal (I know the Union wont back you) I did this and believe me the sense of freedom and joy of being out of HMRC is like winning the Lottery.

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  24. "You do not have to lie to tax payers. Follow the Civil Service code which clearly states that you have to be honest and truthful in all your dealings."

    The CS code is written by the same sort of muppets who are running HMRC; there are sufficient loopholes, vagueness of terminology and 'discretion' built in to enable management to wriggle out of nearly everything. The loudest sound in HMRC offices today is that of managers at all levels moving the goalposts.

    "If SM come after you with C&D then that is prima facie evidence for a Tribunal"

    And then you have to go through weeks, months or years of stress and dislocation before the case comes up, and with absolutely no certainty that you will win; or, if you do win, that you'll have anything to show for it at the end except the warm glow of voluntary martyrdom. Try to live in the real world a bit.

    "...the sense of freedom and joy of being out of HMRC is like winning the Lottery."

    Without the money, though, I suspect. Had any luck finding another job in the double-dip recession yet?

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  25. So what you are saying is that you would prefer the lie and mislead tax payers than kick your union up the arse and get the problems dealt with.

    Well I am afraid that leaves you in the same category as your management. Weak and useless.

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  26. 13:52...

    If it were that simple don't ya think someone would've done something about it by now?

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  27. I love the great british public.

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  28. 22:25,

    The union had no problem getting you out on strike over the pension issue and all that did was save the government paying you for a couple of days.

    They backed down on the last strike action about the working conditions when they came to an agreement with the management and nothing changed.

    I think the main reason it is not easy is none of you are prepared to tackle your union guys who seem to be in the pocket of management.

    And it is you that is paying the union fees.

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  29. 12:50
    Actually I now run my own Hypnotherapy practice and can make upwards of £1000 per week. Have to agree with 13:52 stop whingeing and stand up for yourself. Re Tribunals have a look at your house insurance policy mine has £100K legal cover so I let the lawyers deal with the stress. As an ex Police Officer and senior manager in commerce I came from the real world and have gone back to it. OOOOOPS just broken my golden rule never to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

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  30. 23:57...

    I say again. If it were that simple don't ya think someone would've done something about it by now?

    Do you wanna go round again?

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  31. 22:15, I can around as many times as you want because it is you that is stuck within HMRC not me. The only reason I understand what is going on is because I have a partner that works in a call center. They are following in the same steps as 8 September 2010 10:29 and doing something about getting out. They would prefer to stay in but there is not enough people prepared to stand up to the union.

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