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Wednesday, 28 January 2015

Reasonable Excuses For Late Filing


As the deadline for online filing is almost upon us, there will be taxpayers who miss the deadline and will face a fine.

Here are a list of "reasonable" excuses that HMRC will "consider" (but not necessarily accept) as mitigation against incurring a fine , as per the Telegraph:

• Your partner died shortly before the tax return or payment deadline
• You had an unexpected stay in hospital that prevented you from dealing with your tax affairs
• Your computer or software failed just before or while you were preparing your online return
• There were “service issues” with HMRC’s website
• A fire prevented you from completing your tax return
• Postal delays that you could not have predicted

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19 comments:

  1. also try
    I couldn't get I touch with HMRC
    HMRC gave me no help
    HMRC gave me the wrong information
    HMRC mis calculated my TAX
    I've tried to contact HMRC and YOU DONT ANSWER
    I don't know WHO is dealing with me within HMRC and I have no way of talking to THAT person, its always an automated selection list then some numpty that has no idea what I'm talking about!!!!
    PLEASE REMEMBER THAT HMRC WILL GET THE TAX YOU OWE..........BUT IN THE MEANTIME THEY'LL GENERATE SOME 'EXTRA' REVENUE BY INVENTING LATE PAYMENT PANALTIES AND SENDING THEM OUT TO YOU!!!!!!
    Funny how the penalty system works efficiently BUT the tax systems struggles!!!!
    or is it just me.
    Don't pay the late penalties, its an invitation to 'contract' with them. DONT 'contract' with them.... send it back with 'NO CONTRACT' 'Return to sender' written clearly on the envelope.

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  2. HMRC lost my return……like they lose a lot of things :)

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  3. About 10.5 million returns were issued last April. About 3 million people leave it till the last week to file their return. The call centres are inundated in the last week. That's why you have difficulty getting through. Why leave it so late? It's nearly 10 months since the return was issued. HMRC simply produces the tax calculation from the information entered on the return. If that's wrong, the tax due will be wrong. That's the fault of whoever completed the return. If you file online, you see the tax calculation before you file it. It shouldn't be a surprise.

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    1. yes exactly bravo!. So basically so from last April 2014 until the deadline of 31/01/15.
      Its is law to pay your tax due and submit on time. One minute we are pen pushers and a waste of tax payers money then the next minute we are expected to provide an immediate service covering all aspects with less staff courtsey of cuts. There have been a lot of extra resources put into this with more people put on phones to take these calls despite the fact that people have had from 05/04/14 until the deadline to submit their returns. Le me finally say. We also pay tax and it is taken directly from our wages every month.

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  4. How about:

    "I have filed and know I have also paid because (i) took print outs of everything possible (ii) their payment services provider told me so and (iii) monies duly exited my account.

    Thus the HMRC SA site telling me a moth later that I have not yet filed and (eventually) a human being today confirming same must be patently wrong."

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    1. Did you actually SUBMIT your tax return & get a message back saying your return was 'successfully submitted', or did you complete it, see the calculation & exit the system?

      You can easily log in & see for yourself, if it is there or not, by using the amend button.

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    2. Oh yes. After many painful waiting for calls to be answered the SA system now tells me all is filed, nothing to pay.

      But then numpties from Cumbernauld start phoning me bleating about the payment I have made saying they do not know what to do with.

      If they can contact me surely must be able to access my records and see that there was exactlt the same sum owing for 2013/14? Or is that......too difficult?

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  5. I KEEP TELLING YOU.....
    THE HMRC IS F@CKED....
    THE SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK.....
    ITS NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE
    AND WILL NEVER BE ANY GOOD.
    SEE YOU IN 10 YEARS!!!!!!!
    WE'LL BE SAYING THE SAME I SHIT YOU NOT!!!

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  6. "Postal delays that you could not have predicted???"

    Paper return due date was 31/10/14 so that clearly won't be a reasonable excuse.

    And as said above returns were sent out nearly 9 months ago 6th April 2014 to be exact so 9 months you've had to file and save money for it, it's a due date not a target!

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    1. yeah and when people don't meet the due date HMRC will issue a PENALTY NOTICE asking for You to CONTRACT with them and pay up. THIS is where YOU return it with 'NO CONTRACT' 'RETURN TO SENDER' written clearly on the envelope. ACTS and STATUTES are ONLY given the POWER of LAW by CONSENT........ IF YOU DONT CONSENT THE ACT DOES NOT APPLY.

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    2. If you are that convinced this 'no contract' rubbish will work, try it with a Tribunal Judge, otherwise shut up.

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    3. HAS been used and IS being used as WE speak.
      CIVIL LAW are ACTs and STATUTES they are ONLY allowed to be applied / enforced WITH CONSENT. WHEN you DONT consent and decline the invitation to 'contract' with them there's nothing they can do.
      As I've already said send it back with 'NO CONTRACT' and 'Return to sender' written clearly on the envelope.
      it does work...... I shit you not....

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    4. Can you provide a link to a court decision in which this has been held to work?

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    5. look up Roger Hayes Birkenhead court 11th Jan 2011 on you tube that's just one example then take an hour of your life to explore others and educate yourself to deal with these fucking idiots

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    6. Ah. Presumably, you're a Freeman on the Land, or someone who holds similar legal views.

      I'll just post a link to the Wikipedia page so that anyone who's tempted to try this can draw their own conclusions. (It may be worth looking at the history of the page to find the version current at the date and time of this comment, as Wikipedia pages, by definition, can change...)

      ...failing that, there's still 2 hours to file a tax return!

      Stew G

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    7. no just know the difference between common law and civil law.... that's all you need to know

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  7. They didn't send me a return, they sent a notice to file saying if I don't want to file online I must print off a paper return from the website. This must have saved them all of 5 pence.

    Printing was tried a couple of times and didn't work, hence I'm filing online under duress.

    I'm not sure that a £100 penalty is legal unless HMRC's costs from the delayed receipt of tax add up to £100. If no tax is owed, how would £100 stand up in court?

    However, there've been larger cases against richer people in which the judge found that it was OK to treat taxpayers as guilty until proved innocent. So the situation is clearly "f*** the rule of law, HMRC is above it" and it'll be like this until elected politicians act to bring the tax collectors back under the rule of law. Given that the elected pols. think it's fine for HMRC to raid bank accounts without a court order, I wonder how long that will be ...

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  8. Tell me: is there a Reasonable Excuse for HMRC TAKING MY PAYMENT TWICE??

    Get an SMS alert from my bank saying: "You are skint". WTF?

    So, there in my account is the SA payment I made using the "Pay Now" functionality. Twice.

    There follows a long, long time on hold with Cumbernauld (having navigated the menu system and them waited a long time before that) to be told that owing to a "Systems Error" a "number" of people have had double payments taken and that they had tried to call me (not that I got) to check.

    I will be refunded at some point. Will include any bank charges? "Errrrrr........"

    HMRC is not Shite .It is Utterly Shite

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  9. Re the 5 pence, yes you're probably right that the cost to HMRC to print and send a return is less than pound. The reason they do it the way they do, though is about "nudge". Processing a completed paper return costs much more, so they do it this way to encourage people to file online by deliberately making it more hassle to get hold of a paper one.

    Out of interest, why did you file online "under duress"? Did you find it particularly inconvenient?

    Re the £100 being illegal: I wish anyone who tries to argue that one in court the very best of luck. You could give it a go at the ECJ, I suppose....

    Stew G

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