Insiders tell me HMRC chiefs in panic after @meadowsonmoney 's latest attack piece: HMRC's dogged pursuit of a homeless man belies its claim to be a tax office that cares https://t.co/DsWH0d0YQH via @Telegraph— Sam Brodbeck (@sambrodbeck) February 13, 2019
If they are panicking about that, imagine what they will do when the full Nellthorp story comes out!
Tax does have to be taxing.
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They don't like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring!
ReplyDeleteWe're doomed I tell ye', doomed!
I hope this despicable bunch of shites get everything that is now finally heading towards them at a rate of knots. If the criminal investigations by IOPC go back far enough there will be some rotten truths coming out that have been hidden from the light of exposure for years.
As for the looming clusterfeck that is rapidly approaching our frontiers in the form of Brexit, the general public have not got a clue how fragmented Border Protection has become since the HMRC train crash and its fallout.
HM Customs at least had a decent grasp of all the border issues even if it had been understaffed for years at the workface.
What we have now is a multi-faceted and poorly co-ordinated approach involving all and sundry with even Trading Standards performing HMRC post import 'policing' of the counterfeit fiscal imports.
YCNMTSU
Old accountancy joke;
ReplyDeleteQ. Why are the pelican and the taxman so alike?
A. They can both stick their bill up their arse!
There might be a little visit to a Public Accounts Committee on the horizon for Sir Gobshite if this carries on. Weasel his way out of it with the typical PR spin with a grin non-answers out of the Blair playbook. I hope they remove his knighthood.
ReplyDeleteThis is the article, just about sums up the spin bullshit the comms filth spout. There is another one published on the BBC website about closing Wrexham too "we will work with staff to find alternative solutions". Does this involve paying them a sub standard 'voluntary redundancy' after decades of service. Filth the lot. What goes around comes around and the chickens are coming home to roost.
ReplyDeletewww.telegraph.co.uk/tax/return/homeless-man-fined-hmrc-filing-tax-return-late/
HMRC senior management don't give 2 fucks about their staff.
DeleteBastards....Thompson you are some Christian.....Christ would be ashamed of you.
I really despair at this. As Collectors we would see someone was homeless or mentally ill and not pursue any more. We'd check up occasionally to see if their circumstances changed but, if not, our instructions were to write off the debt as it was unlikely ever to be collected.
ReplyDeleteWe would never take a case like that to Court!
However, the ruddy computer is on full automatic output and just issues demands ad infinitum. Common sense just doesn't kick in like it used to before staff blindly follow their SOPs and SWIs (Standard Operating Procedures and Standard Operating Instructions.
Add to that, staff can find themselves being disciplined for deviating from those instructions and actually using common sense in the first place!
I agree. Arse covering is the name of the game. You are nailed to the cross for deviating from the SOP/SWI regardless of common sense. Now the SHTF, you can bet your bottom dollar they are looking for someone to take the rap for it. Make the shit stick to someone/anyone and 'blame'. Just as long as it doesn't stick to them. Godawful place to work.
DeleteThis is what we have been saying all along....where has common sense gone to....insane directives come from above...and they are just accepted by management.
DeleteWe all know that senior management are useless...but lower management need to grow a pair of balls and stop this madness.
The office i work in now are a disgrace....they accept every ridiculous idea that comes from above because either they want an easy life...which they don't get....or they are too afraid to challenge anything.
It's a pathetic embarrassing place to work.
Not like that nowadays. Their Field Force staff behave like inhumane brutal thugs. All part of Sir Fat Bully's plan no doubt.
DeleteHMRC staff will tell you that HMRC break numerous laws on a daily basis:
ReplyDelete1. Employment Rights Act
2. Health & Safety at Work Act
3. Equality Act
4. Data Protection Act
5. Commissioners for Revenue & Customs Act,
to name just 5!!! Can anyone think of any others?
I fear that HMRC's all-round unreasonableness & outright thuggery will drive more people into the 'black economy' or into avoidance. There would be no winners other than they gravy-train riders in the upper echelons of the misfit organisation who have already injured several of their own staff, leaving some suicidal, and now appear content for their reputation to go further into the gutter. Time the government sorted this out.
ReplyDelete#hmrchavenoshame
Good or bad, it is said that KARMA has no deadline.
ReplyDeleteIf true, and I am ambivalent about the issue, then many past and present 'managers' from within the 'orrid mess that is HMRC are scheduled for heap bad medicine kimosabe!
I suppose I am a traditionalist as I believe in Newton's Third Law
From the HSE website (it must be assumed they know what they are talking about);
ReplyDeleteStress risk assessment:
Employers have a legal duty to protect employees from stress at work by doing a risk assessment and acting on it.
If you have five or more employees, you are required by law to write the risk assessment down.
Mental health conditions, work and the workplace:
Whether work is causing the health issue or aggravating it, employers have a legal responsibility to help their employees. Work-related mental health issues must to be assessed to measure the levels of risk to staff. Where a risk is identified, steps must be taken to remove it or reduce it as far as reasonably practicable.
Some employees will have a pre-existing physical or mental health condition when recruited or may develop one caused by factors that are not work-related factors.
Their employers may have further legal requirements, to make reasonable adjustments under equalities legislation.
How mental ill health and work-related stress can go together:
Work-related stress and mental health problems often go together and the symptoms can be very similar.
Work-related stress can aggravate an existing mental health problem, making it more difficult to control. If work-related stress reaches a point where it has triggered an existing mental health problem, it becomes hard to separate one from the other.
Common mental health problems and stress can exist independently – people can experience work-related stress and physical changes such as high blood pressure, without having anxiety, depression or other mental health problems. They can also have anxiety and depression without experiencing stress. The key differences between them are their cause(s) and the way(s) they are treated.
Food for thought for the weekend, there is obviously much out there, however, the Law is the Law and HMRC is breaking various parts of it and treating it and its staff with utter contempt.
So Excom, your challenge, should you understand it;
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Please share your experiences and blow your whistles in confidence / anonymously at the HMRC WhistleBlower portal:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.hmrcloancharge.info/hmrc-whistleblower-portal/
You can upload indiscriminating information and we will share with the Loan Charge APPG and/or the Economics Affairs Committee (HoL) and/or the Treasury Select Committee (HoC).
Thank you!
as has already been said on an earlier thread; the issues discussed here are not related to the loan charge and should not be used as a stick to support your issue. People are already working to gather information to support victims
DeleteI think the reposte to your post lies in the last sentence of the initial statement;
Delete"If they are panicking about that, imagine what they will do when the full Nellthorp story comes out!"
So, rather than a stick to support issues I would venture to suggest that the link to the 2 issues underpins the contentions about HMRC behavioural issues, including contempt for employees, 'customers' and the law.
There do seem to be 2 seperate factions in action around here lately. Fortunately, it is easy to differentiate between them and their motivation. ;)
BTW, getting much support from the 77th these days are we?! (look it up!) and I tip my hat to anyone that had a distinguished service record in The Black Watch.
It's all OSI, BTW!
@19.06 I have been on the receiving end of some of things reported here and I don't want to see one issue obscure the other. Afraid I don't understand some of your response
DeleteI am 19.06, amongst many postings, I too have been on the receiving end of some of the worse things reported on here.
DeleteA little bit of lateral thought and/or the application of basic search (in context) helps.
Try this:- To the search parameter 77th add Brigade.
WRT 2 factions, I don't belong to the fastracker/excom mob, they are the second lot along with any OSI (open source intelligence) or other...'facebook warriors' available as a resource.
Use a wee bit of imagination, knowledge and effort.
"Seeke and ye shalle find" - olde Customs saying from the days of 4 and 20 ponies and ankering, coopering and riding officers.
Fascinating, the history of smuggling. (Smuggling in the British Isles
Book by Richard Platt)
Anyway, I digress, it's all there to be found somewhere.
Not much gets obscured on here.