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Tuesday, 2 October 2012

RTI Resources

Resources to help you understand Real Time Information (RTI), the automated HMRC process to collect payroll and tax details as wages and salary payments are made.

In theory it will eliminate annual reconciliations and end-of-year forms such as P14s and P35s.

All schemes/employers with less than 5,000 employees will start to submit RTI in April 2013; those with 5,000 employees or more will start to submit RTI on dates agreed with HMRC between June and Sept 2013.

As per HMRC:
"The move to reporting information in real time is the biggest change to the operation of PAYE in over 60 years.

Under real time reporting, employers and pension providers – or agents, payroll bureaux and other intermediaries acting on their behalf – will send us information about tax, National Insurance Contributions (NICs), student loans and other deductions each time they pay their employees. This will enable HMRC to keep more accurate records and, over time, more people will pay the correct tax.

So what are the essential facts you need to know?
• Migration to reporting PAYE information in real time is mandatory
• Most employers and pension providers will move to reporting PAYE information in real time from April 2013
• We will write to you
– in October to tell you what you need to do to get ready
– in February to confirm the date from which you should start reporting PAYE information in real time
• Most employers already send PAYE information electronically and information reported in real time will also be sent online. Your payroll software will collect the necessary information and send it to HMRC online
• You need to consider your options for payroll. A wide range of commercial software designed for real time reporting will be available from April 2013 to suit employers’ and pension providers’ individual requirements, including some free products. HMRC’s Basic PAYE Tools will also be available for employers who have nine or fewer employees. You can get more information about this at
• You will need to include information in your RTI submissions about all employees
• We will no longer require the end-of-year Employer Annual Return forms P35 and P14, and you won’t need to send forms P45 and P46 to us; instead you will include this information with the information reported in real time
• Employers making payments to their employees by Bacs, using their own service user number, will need to include a cross-reference in the RTI data submission and their Bacs payment instruction, see Getting ready to operate PAYE in real time.

What will not change?
• The way tax and National Insurance contributions are calculated will not change
• You will still need to give employees certificates of tax and NICs paid – form P60
• You will still need to send expenses and benefits returns (P11D and P9D) annually
• The dates by which you must pay HMRC stay the same
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  1. I can hardy wait. Obviously HMRC has given this extensive trials with small as well as large companies and has ironed out all the wrinkles which could have proved problematical. After all its record of introducing new systems without hiccups is peerless.

    I'm also sure, evidenced by what already happens on existing help- and other lines, that the RTI telephone help-line will be manned by helpful, knowledgeable people who will pick up the phone after no more than half a dozen or so rings.

    1. Your sarcasm is barely noticeable ( I am of course being sarcastic ). Your intended comments are however spot on.

  2. This could well be the start of a meltdown in HMRC.

    As things stand it is obvious that they have too many stand alone systems incapable of communicating with each other or even updating data properly.

    Then there are the staff who by now must be nearing their collective wits ends, not having had a pay rise, let alone a pay rise in line with inflation for years, which by any stretch of the imagination is a pay cut, having to pay more and work longer for a reduced pension and also suffering from a surfeit of Pacesetter practitioners and whiteboards, then they can't have failed to notice the steady flow of management away from the gloom that is HMRC.

    Nero fiddled while Rome burnt...

    Any hope for the future, yes if you can survive until it is forced to change its track and pathetic management, until then expect more chaos.

  3. Agreee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!